Oral Interviews: personal perspectives on America's history of school shootings
Do you remember columbine happening? How did that make you feel at the time?
Elementary Teacher in Noblesville, Indiana: Beth Hoard, age 59
Other Thoughts:
Quick Recaps
The Columbine shootings stunned me and filled me with such grief that so many students had been killed in their own school; I had never heard of anything happening like this where students were gunned down and murdered in what should be a safe environment - their own school. When the Parkland and Sante Fe school shootings occurred, I immediately thought of Columbine so many, many years earlier, and most especially the horrific slaughter of little children at Sandy Hook and why NOTHING had been done (i.e., stricter gun control legislation) to prevent these school shootings from happening again.
I was affected most emotionally by the Sandy Hook shooting because those were such young, little innocents murdered and I cried for days (and some days now still do), my heart breaking for the grief their parents and grandparents have been forced to endure.
(We need) more secured, restricted access to school buildings, with possibly more security personnel (NOT armed teachers!) together with stricter gun control legislation.
On the 1999 Columbine High School Shooting:
At the time I was working and attending school at Wayne State University, so for several days thereafter I was apprehensive about being on campus, but gradually (and naively) believed that what happened in Austin was a very isolated event and nothing like that could occur again in our country.
I was 21 years old when the Austin shooting occurred. When I saw the news coverage on TV that evening, my initial reaction was one of disbelief because I had never heard of such a horrendous, murder rampage on a school campus in our country.
An older perspective: Judy Peters, age 72; currently lives in Arizona
On the 1966 University of Texas Austin Shooting:
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University of Texas Austin shooting:
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Austin, Texas
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August 1, 1966--52 years ago
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17 deaths, 31 injured
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First major US school shooting
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Columbine High School shooting:
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Littleton, Colorado
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April 20, 1999--19 years ago
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13 deaths, 15 including perpetrators
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24 injured
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Sparked debates over gun control laws, high school cliques, and bullying
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Virginia Tech University shooting:
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Blacksburg, Virginia
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April 16, 2007--11 years ago
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32 deaths, 33 including perpetrator; 23 injured
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3rd deadliest mass shooting in America
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Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting:
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Newtown, Connecticut
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December 14, 2012--6 years ago
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26 deaths, 28 including perpetrator and perpetrator's mother
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2 injured
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Deadliest mass shooting at a high school or grade school
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Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting:
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Parkland, Florida
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February 14, 2018--4 months ago
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17 deaths, 14 Injured
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Survivors brought a lot of attention to the topic of gun control and organized the March For Our Lives protest on March 24.
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On the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting:
From your perspective, what are the biggest controversies surrounding school shootings?
How does how you felt with columbine compare to how you have felt about the most recent school shootings such as Parkland and Sante Fe?
Did any of the school shootings affect you more than the rest?
As a teacher and someone who works with teens, how do you feel about all of these recent school shootings?
Have you had any conversations with colleagues, your students or the teens you work with about these shootings? Did you have the same opinions?
Shootings appear to be a bigger problem in Chicago than in many other places, do you think that that has impacted the way that your school handles security to prevent school shootings?
Being a teacher, how do you think you would react to an active shooter in your school? Does your school have any active shooter procedures?
As more of these shootings happen, are you noticing a difference in the way that the kids you work with are reacting to the school shootings? Are they becoming numb?
In 10-20 years, do you think it will be important to remember these school shootings?
What do you think should be done to stop schools shootings?
How do you feel about the idea that teachers should be armed?
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Santa Fe High School Shooting
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Santa Fe, Texas
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May 18, 2018--less than a month ago
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10 deaths, 10 injured
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Occupation and life in education
I live in Westfield, Indiana and have been in education for 25 years. I taught for 9 years in a private school and 16 years in the local public elementary school. I am 59 years old.
Columbine and its effects
Yes, I do remember Columbine happening. It was one of those events that I felt actually "stopped" the nation. The feeling at the time was similar to what would have been felt for a presidential assassination attempt. People just couldn't believe that it would actually happen - here in America! Eyes were glued to the TV - like you just couldn't get enough information. You didn't walk away in case new information surfaced or reasons were given for how such an unthinkable thing could happen - at a local level. We expect, in some way, to hear of those happenings during a war - no one is protected then. But on our soil - by our own people - to our own people - that was just mind-blowing! Plus this was in our schools - by our young people. Columbine wasn't by a mentally unstable adult who just happened to wander into the school. This was our own people - hurting our own people. Columbine brought a certain fear - a certain vulnerability at least - to home turf.
Controversies surrounding school shootings
In recent years there has been an escalation of school violence. Now schools have to prepare their teachers for such events. We walk our students through monthly drills so they know what to do - or not do - in case the unthinkable should come to our school. At the elementary level, I personally hate having to prepare our students for "intruder" events. I want their childhood to be just that - their childhood. I want them to be carefree. Our world isn't like that anymore though and it makes me sad. It puts a certain weighty pressure on teachers. We aren't just responsible for their safety (falls - cuts, etc.). Now we may be responsible for their very lives. Teachers now have conversations about certain troubled kids - that we hope that child doesn't remember us when they graduate from high school. The thought enters our mind that this could be a potential child to come back for a "visit."
A difference in the way that the kids are reacting to the school shootings and becoming numb
I hope we aren't getting numb to these events but it certainly doesn't surprise us anymore. It's almost like we are holding our breath waiting to hear the word of when - and where - it will strike next. At the elementary level, I think teachers (and parents) try to shield our kids from news of these events. We already have kids coming to school with anxiety issues about other uncontrollable events in their lives so we keep news of these events from them as much as is possible. We do not discuss them at school with the children. We do practice safety drills and have age-appropriate conversations with them, but we do not discuss current events about school shootings.
What are the biggest controversies surrounding school shootings?
It seems that the biggest controversies always come back to gun control. As a Christian, I think it's truly a matter of the heart. We don't change people by outward conformations. I saw that even in the private school. Students will conform because they have to "keep the rules." Lasting change never happens this way. We can change for a time that's true, but lasting change starts in the heart. We know, as believers, that the change we need in the heart only comes from a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Reacting to an active shooter in schools
We do have procedures in place for an active shooter. However, after the Noblesville event, I know the administrators all came together to talk to local law enforcement to see what and if further measures need to be put in place. They are having public forums to discuss these issues and I expect changes will happen for the next school year. I think we are ready for an outside intruder. The inside intruder is actually more troubling since it is one of our own. How do you defend against that?? I know - sad to say - that we even have to not believe "fire drills" anymore since that is how some of the shooters are getting kids into the hallways. We have to take precautions even for what you would think would be a "normal" drill.
Controversies on teachers being armed
I'm a bit torn on the teachers carrying a gun conversation. I'm probably more comfortable with guns because Neal works for the sheriff's department so I've been around guns. I don't like the idea of having a gun with kids around though. The safety precautions that would entail would be just another layer on to the whole situation. I would probably be more in favor of having one in the building and only certain people knowing about it - but then that's risky because what if those people can't get to that location in an active shooter event - then what? We are more for buying time and keeping our kids safe knowing that local help is quickly on the way.
What types of articles have you read about school shootings?
About Casey Holtschneider
Professor of social work at Northeastern Illinois University and executive director of Lyte Collective: Casey Holtschneider, age 39
CITATIONS
Hoard, Beth. Personal Interview. 30 May 2018.
Holtschneider, Casey. Personal Interview. 28 May 2018.
Peters, Judith. Personal Interview. 1 June 2018.
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